Electrical Problems/2001 Winstar Sport

Curt · 09-01-2010, 09:59 AM

Check engine light came on,fuel gauge stops below empty,no interior lights,no brake lights ,no turn signals,the fuse is good that runs all these things,but no power going to that #1 fuse under dash..Any help would be appreciated...Thanks

No power going to #4 relay in CJB,had it working then it quit again,thought it was a loose wire,behind,but not.I do have power going to CJB from orange and red wire.

MissInformation · 09-01-2010, 10:25 AM

Hey there Curt,

Have you checked both SSP Relay 3, (which should be Relay 4 in the Central Junction Box) this supplies power to Fuse 1 and Fuse 114 in the Battery Junction Box, this supplies power to SSP Relay 3. By the sounds of it you have lost power feed to your REM.

This is the Forums "How To" on checking Relays.

HowTo Check a Relay

I am also attaching Power Distribution Wiring Diagrams specific to your 2001 Windstar for your reference.

Hope this helps.

Curt · 09-01-2010, 01:13 PM

Thanks for helping me,i checked all the relay switches and fuses,there all good,wondering where the rem is located? Thanks Curt

Curt · 09-01-2010, 01:36 PM

sorry to bother you again,i checked to see if i had power to the 1 and 114 fuse in battery junction box,i do,but no power at all going to the # 1 fuse in fuse panel under dash,if i get power to that some how it might fix the problem,i wiil check the REM when i find out where it is located,thanks again!!!!

MissInformation · 09-01-2010, 01:38 PM

Hey Curt,

The REM is located behind the Service Jack, you need to remove the Right Rear Quarter Trim Panel on your Van to access it - See attached pictures.

Does the Glove Box light work?

Poppy · 09-01-2010, 02:27 PM

MissInformation,
I'm trying to think back, but does the REM control the rear directionals and the FEM the front? I apologise if I am clouding the issue.

Curt do your front directionals work and the rears not? OR do neither front, nor rear directionals work?

MissInformation · 09-01-2010, 02:42 PM

Hey Poppy,

Originally Posted by Poppy

I'm trying to think back, but does the REM control the rear directionals and the FEM the front? I apologise if I am clouding the issue.

You are correct! The REM controls the rears and the FEM the fronts. I am seriously thinking it is the Relay and not a wiring problem, but I have been outsmarted by that REM before 'eh.....

Don't apologize for clouding the issue, I should be the one to apologize to Curt, I think I may have mislead him into thinking the issue is with the REM. I mentioned it due to the fact that all his Van's issues are a function of it and this would occur if there was no power to it - ie: a blown fuse, bad relay or wiring issue.

Hey Curt,

Have you check to see if there is power to Fuses 7 and 12 in the Central Junction Box? If not, please test them to see if they have power.

If those Fuses do NOT have power, as well as Fuse 1, and you are certain that SSP3 Relay is good, then I would think that it is possible that there is an open between the Red wire at Fuse 114 in the Battery Junction Box and Pin 7 (for SSP3 Relay) at the Central Junction Box Connector causing the problem. (See Wiring Diagram PD4).

I hope this helps.

Curt · 09-01-2010, 03:54 PM

nope glove box light doesnt work.

Curt · 09-01-2010, 03:57 PM

front signals work no brake or signals at rear,7 and 12 have no power at all to them,no power at glove box,only thing that works at rear of van is wiper motor and cigerette lighter on side panel.

MissInformation · 09-01-2010, 04:46 PM

Hey Curt,

Originally Posted by Curt

front signals work no brake or signals at rear,7 and 12 have no power at all to them,no power at glove box,only thing that works at rear of van is wiper motor and cigarette lighter on side panel.

Hummm, thought so on those fuses. However, Fuse 2 is for the Glove Box light, which should mean that Fuses 2, 8 and 13 in the Central Junction Box do NOT have power either.

Please test for power at Fuse 103 in the Battery Junction Box as it supplies power to SSP 4 Relay, which in turn supplies power to the three Fuses I just mentioned.

Fuse 8 in the CJB is VPWR for the REM, and it is my understanding that "IF" it is NOT receiving power through the "Switched System Power" Relays, (SSP3 & SSP4) which receive their power from Fuses 114 and 103 in the BJB the REM will not function.

Did you test all the Relays in the Central Junction Box? If so, how did you test them?

Curt · 09-01-2010, 05:37 PM

i will check power at 103,your right no power at 2, 8 and 13.the way i checked the relays were like you or poppy showed me,hook a hot wire to one small terminal and ground the other small terminal ,you should here a clicking sound when connected,and they all clicked.i never did check the white fuses 3/4 x 3/4 roughly in size in the BJB,how do i test them ?

Curt · 09-01-2010, 05:48 PM

yes, i have power to 103 in BJB.

Curt · 09-01-2010, 05:58 PM

i also have power to 114 in BJB.

MissInformation · 09-01-2010, 08:45 PM

Hey Curt,

Okay, so there is power in the BJB (Engine Compartment) to both Fuses 103 and 114, all 6 of the Relays in the CJB (Inside Vehicle) test good, but there is NO power to Fuses 1, 2, 7, 8, 12 and 13 correct?

So if it's NOT the BJB Fuses or the CJB Relays then it would stand to reason that it's a wiring issue correct?

I would think that there is an issue between the BJB and the CJB and would test both the Orange/Red wire for continuity between Fuse 103 at the BJB to the the CJB Connector C196 Pin 8 and the Red wire for continuity between Fuse 114 at the BJB to the CJB Connector C196 Pin 7.

Hope this helps.

Jonzo77 · 09-01-2010, 09:02 PM

sorry if this seems to be not of the issue, but it almost sounds like you need another fuse box.
you get power going into it ok, but nothing coming out of them, is this correct?

Miss I, Poppy, is there any way any of this is computer controlled? that's almost what it sounds like to me, but i have been known to be wrong.
keep in mind, i extremely dislike newer automotive technology...

Curt · 09-02-2010, 06:01 AM

Thanks Miss I,the problem was in behind relay #4 in CJB,wires were not making good contact,Thank you for your time and patients with me i appreciate it very much,you are awesome!!!Have a good day!!!!TTYL Curt

Curt · 09-02-2010, 06:03 AM

Thanks Poppy for all your help also,relay #4 in CJB,in behind the fuse panel was the problem,not a good connection i guess.Thanks Curt

Curt · 09-02-2010, 10:22 AM

no power again to #4 relay inCJB,quit on me....do have power though from red and orange wire to CJB...Thanks

MissInformation · 09-02-2010, 12:05 PM

Hey Curt,

Originally Posted by Curt

no power again to #4 relay inCJB,quit on me....do have power though from red and orange wire to CJB...Thanks

I'm seriously thinking you have a bad/sticky relay. You have 2 choices - First you can try a NEW relay if you have one kickin around.

If not, then looking at the CJB the Relays line up from left to right Relays 1 2 3 on the top row and Relays 4 5 6 on the second row. Relays 1 and 4 are SSP3 and SSP4 Relays, respectively try swapping BOTH Relays 1 and 4, with Relays 3 and 6 (which are for the Front and Rear Blower Motors) and see if the interior and exterior lights stay on without going out again so fast.

"IF" they don't go out again, then you will need to replace the "bad" relay. I would recommend marking it with a white crayon or putting come electrical tape on it so that you can identify the "bad" relay.

Hope this helps.

electro · 09-02-2010, 08:10 PM

If swapping out the relays does not help, you might look closely at your CJB for damage. It is possible the plastic could melt, allowing the terminals to "drift", and cause a poor connection.