 |
|
07-21-2010, 08:27 PM
|
#1
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
302 head question
i was looking to see what the cc's of heads were. i have a pair of factory heads from an 85 F-series, but i also have some other options. jonzo has a pair of E7 heads from a 93 thunderbird 5.0HO, and i have no idea what they are either. if someone could find or create a list of them for me by year, or casting number that would be cool with me...
Thank You in advance
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink! 
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 08:41 PM
|
#2
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Parkersburg Wv.
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 692
Thanked 484 Times in 375 Posts
|
Read this article If your heads are E7TE you are good to go.
Ford Cylinder Heads
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 08:47 PM
|
#3
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
i8 was told they were shaved down for the HO which made the piston to valve clearance too close for comfort. i just want to keep my stock pistons...
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 08:55 PM
|
#4
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Parkersburg Wv.
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 692
Thanked 484 Times in 375 Posts
|
Just read the article in depth and it will give you a lot of do's and don'ts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 09:56 PM
|
#5
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: dundee,fl
Posts: 529
Thanks: 131
Thanked 48 Times in 36 Posts
|
ashzo, i have what i call "the bible new testament" it is a book called High Performance Ford by George Reid. It has a chart with the production numbers and cc's listed on page 47. if you go to I believe the ford muscle magazine. you may be able to access the info through their website. But just buy the book, and if you can find the "old Testiment-How to Rebuild Your Big Block Ford" by Steve Christ, that is a great help for older big blocks too.
Hope this helps.
btw if you give me the the casting numbers , I can look it up, too.
the ho motor has either 67-70 cc for up to 1985 and the 86 up has 62-65 cc.
__________________
1963 galaxie xl-r code
1967 galaxie xl ragtop
1977 ranchero gt
1988 lincoln mkvii 5 speed
1996 gmc 3500 dual
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 10:03 PM
|
#6
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
i will have to look when jon and i got to his parents house this weekend. thanks lincoln
LOL, jonzo has the "new testament" in his garage! I never knew what it was good for
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 10:27 PM
|
#7
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
|
Originally Posted by lincolndriver
|
|
"old Testiment-How to Rebuild Your Big Block Ford" by Steve Christ, that is a great help for older big blocks too.
|
i'm not sure if it will help with a small block, but i'm sure there is another one just for them too...
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-21-2010, 10:31 PM
|
#8
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 1,785
Thanks: 93
Thanked 34 Times in 34 Posts
|
i always thought it was closer to 58.5-62...
__________________
I met my baby in a used car lot. Drinkin' cheap wine and a throwin' rocks. Magic on wheels baby you know i got it! Shakin' like loose change here in my pocket... I didn't get this car, baby, just a choppin' on wood ...
I got 8 slappin' pistons, right here, under my hood, let's ride!! Got me a Voodoo Fairmont!!
-79 ford Fearmont Futura 5.0- 83 fairmont 4dr 2.3T- 07 ranger 2.3- 89 ford thunder victoria GT 5.0HO-
|
|
|
|
|
07-22-2010, 01:42 PM
|
#9
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: dundee,fl
Posts: 529
Thanks: 131
Thanked 48 Times in 36 Posts
|
not sure , ive never had to pay a whole lot of attention to cc's. But the "new testament" will do for all small blocks
__________________
1963 galaxie xl-r code
1967 galaxie xl ragtop
1977 ranchero gt
1988 lincoln mkvii 5 speed
1996 gmc 3500 dual
|
|
|
|
|
07-22-2010, 07:12 PM
|
#10
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 771
Thanks: 99
Thanked 50 Times in 44 Posts
|
I have 2 sets of E7's for sale !!!! Jonzo seen them.
|
|
|
|
|
07-22-2010, 07:39 PM
|
#11
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 1,785
Thanks: 93
Thanked 34 Times in 34 Posts
|
|
|
Originally Posted by Stymees'mont
|
|
I have 2 sets of E7's for sale !!!! Jonzo seen them.
|
except these were made specifically for the 302, not the 351W, sorry eric
__________________
I met my baby in a used car lot. Drinkin' cheap wine and a throwin' rocks. Magic on wheels baby you know i got it! Shakin' like loose change here in my pocket... I didn't get this car, baby, just a choppin' on wood ...
I got 8 slappin' pistons, right here, under my hood, let's ride!! Got me a Voodoo Fairmont!!
-79 ford Fearmont Futura 5.0- 83 fairmont 4dr 2.3T- 07 ranger 2.3- 89 ford thunder victoria GT 5.0HO-
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2010, 12:04 PM
|
#12
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Small town alberta canada
Posts: 133
Thanks: 17
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
|
i have been told that it only takes minor modifications (machine shop time) to make them work on a 351 is this not the case.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2010, 12:38 PM
|
#13
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
this is going the other way, trhaus. 351 to 302. the thunderbird heads were made for the 351W, shaved down from 67cc for the 351 to 60.6cc on the 5.0HO, but bolt in without modification to the block.
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2010, 01:55 PM
|
#14
|
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: South Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
351w heads on a 302 will need collared head bolts. 351w use larger diameter bolts than 302s.
__________________
'78 Fairmont Wagon 302/C4/8.8 - Too much to list.
'09 Fusion SE I4/5M
'96 F150 2wd 5.0/4R70W
Little red wagons never stopped being cool.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2010, 02:01 PM
|
#15
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
but why did the standard 302 bolts fit in there perfectly when we used them in the thunderbird? we even had good compression... nothing was added to them...
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2010, 08:24 PM
|
#16
|
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: South Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
302s use 7/16" bolts and 351s use 1/2" bolts.
__________________
'78 Fairmont Wagon 302/C4/8.8 - Too much to list.
'09 Fusion SE I4/5M
'96 F150 2wd 5.0/4R70W
Little red wagons never stopped being cool.
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-2010, 07:19 PM
|
#17
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
oh
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-2010, 10:20 PM
|
#18
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 1,785
Thanks: 93
Thanked 34 Times in 34 Posts
|
|
|
Originally Posted by 5DRFOX
|
|
302s use 7/16" bolts and 351s use 1/2" bolts.
|
see notes in the picture
http://www.fordforumsonline.com/foru...-16-bolts.html
__________________
I met my baby in a used car lot. Drinkin' cheap wine and a throwin' rocks. Magic on wheels baby you know i got it! Shakin' like loose change here in my pocket... I didn't get this car, baby, just a choppin' on wood ...
I got 8 slappin' pistons, right here, under my hood, let's ride!! Got me a Voodoo Fairmont!!
-79 ford Fearmont Futura 5.0- 83 fairmont 4dr 2.3T- 07 ranger 2.3- 89 ford thunder victoria GT 5.0HO-
Last edited by Jonzo77; 07-27-2010 at 10:24 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
07-28-2010, 04:05 AM
|
#19
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: So. central Florida
Posts: 189
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts
|
It was 1984 when I last modified a 351 head but if my memory is correct I had to drill steam holes in the 5.8 heads to use them on my 289. Seems like the holes were centered and above the combustion chambers. I just layed the 289 head gasket on the head and marked the holes for drilling. Milling is necessary too in order to maintain compression. 1984, gees I'm old. Now I'm thinkin of the Van Halen titled album.
|
|
|
|
|
07-28-2010, 07:21 AM
|
#20
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 890
Thanks: 53
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
|
|
|
Originally Posted by Lip Ripper
|
|
1984, gees I'm old. Now I'm thinkin of the Van Halen titled album.
|
I'm your ice cream man, stop me when i'm passing by! oh, my my. lol
__________________
when in doubt, make it pink!
Give me fuel, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire, Ooh!
Turn on, I see red. Adrenaline crash and crack my head, Nitro junkie, paint me dead, And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white... War horse, warhead, screw 'em man, white knuckle tight
Through black and white
Ooh, I burn, Fuel is pumping engines, Burning hard, loose and clean...
Quench my thirst with gasoline, Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which i desire!
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
