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Introduction To Project
Hello All,

I've started a similar thread on a 1966 Ford LTD resto-mod car. I have taken a break from that car for a bit for a couple of reasons. First and obviously, needed a break, especially after unveiling the rusted out roof. That one zapped my mojo if you know what I mean. The other reason is I have been accumulating so many parts for this car project, I had to start this project in order to get them out of my way.

On the LTD, I have everything I need now to repair the roof, and the mojo is regenerating. It is very difficult when you are effectively a one man band type operation. But we shall crack on with a similar project in the interim.

This is the wifes car, she fell in love originally with a beautiful 1966 Ford galaxie 500 7 litre at a car show. Well over the years a 7 litre model was next to impossible to come across, actually an XL model was hard to come across as well. Well she found one and against our better judgement we bought it anyway. In other words we bought a massive pile of........

this:

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This fine example of material waiting to be recycled into a new major appliance sat for years as this was clearly not a fixer-upper. A complete tear down and build up would be in order.

The Assessment

Now this car wasn't beyond redemption, however it was really beat. It's a Texas car all its life till we hauled it over one state over. The one thing this car had in its favour was it wasn't really rusty. However, it was hit, and hit hard. It was hit so hard in the back it also pushed the front end into another item, most likely the car in front of it at the time. The whole body on this was tweaked from the rear bumper to the rear of the doors. The frame was bent in the rear and in the front. Someone had already tried to pull the damage out, albeit badly.

I truly understand the allure of wanting an old car, however some are so bad unless you have unlimited time and funds they should be avoided. This would be one of those examples as I even haven't touched on the rest of the malfeasance of this car yet.

The pictures above show exactly how we bought it. The engine was incomplete and in the last picture yes that is fire damage. The fire damage is not from the engine, but rather the transmission caught fire. Yes, that's right this had the rare Ford option of the internally combusting C6. Something I didn't know was even possible. But to add insult to injury when it caught fire, obviously the fire department was called out and proceeded to pour copious amounts of water on it. So much water in fact that about 2 gallons ended up in the engine.

Now the.... person.... that sold us the car told us he poured gas down the carb and started the engine, yes without checking that there was 2 gallons of water in the oil pan. FYI, water does not make for a good lubricant. Now this same person also had the temerity to ask for even more money for the car once we were loading it on the trailer. I'll just let your imagination run wild on what I told him he could do with his solicitation.

To tally all the problems, and they are many, the frame is bent, the body is bent, the rear quarter is crushed beyond redemption. The deck lid is bent and heavily dented. The engine hood is warped from the heat of the engine compartment fire. The engine is in need of an entire rebuild, the transmission is in need of an entire rebuild. The interior is quite literally burned toast and needs to be replaced. All the accessories will need a ground up refurbishment as well, such as the brakes, steering, radio, wipers, HVAC and instrument cluster gauges.

The Plan of Action

Since sitting for so long and having a couple of other 1966 and 1968 parts cars it became apparent to not even bother with the frame nor the majority of the body. Instead a donor body shell will be used as well as a donor frame. The interior bones will be used to build up a new interior. In all 4 different clapped out cars are going to be used to build this one back up. The transmission has been rebuilt. As for the engine, well the plans are to use a 352 half done, but I'm still thinking about the correct date coded 390 for it that it came with. Dunno, jury is still out.

I started on the interior as well and have been accumulating the necessary parts to rehabilitate it. I've been putzing around with this car over the last couple of years here and there. I be glad to cover all that as well as the present work of building up the frame.

The End Goal

It's important to have a clear concise end goal before you start. The goal of this car is to have a reliable daily driver that isn't concourse in appearance nor totally original. I have no problems with upgrading certain parts of the car whilst keeping the essence of the 1960's. What we want is a car that has sufficient corrosion control to daily drive in all weather except snow and doesn't have to have award winning paint work. Something you can power wash after a long work week and take to the car show and not be embarrassed.

The immediate upgrades will include:

1.) 4 wheel disc brakes.
2.) Fuel injection - no more carburetors. At this altitude and fuel quality we receive they are nothing but problems.
3.) Alloy wheels of some sort the wife likes. No hub caps.
4.) A variety of anti-theft, built in cameras and radio location hardware.
5.) Original AM-FM radio with a multiplex add on (stereo) along with antenna injection ancillary input (MP3 player).
6.) HVAC system converted to R134a.
7.) Power trunk lid release.
8.) Factory type power windows.
9.) Power door locks.
10.) Remote entry using Ford key fob.

Long term upgrades:

1.) Overdrive transmission
2.) Intermittent wipers.

I think that's a good intro for now.

As the Terminator said, "I'll be back". :rolleyes:

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Good Luck to you on your project
I have a friend that brought home a 1966 Dodge for a project and his wife said Steve the next time please bring home more than a serial number plate
Long story short it came out Car Show quality
 

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Wow, that is the right kind of car
AC, Clock, buckets with the center console

But the condition, ouch.

Burn out is real. And I know you have the talent and skill set. Keep us posted.

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Good Luck to you on your project
I have a friend that brought home a 1966 Dodge for a project and his wife said Steve the next time please bring home more than a serial number plate
Long story short it came out Car Show quality
Thank you Dominick 1 for the kind wishes. That's funny about the serial number plate project.

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Wow, that is the right kind of car
AC, Clock, buckets with the center console

But the condition, ouch.

Burn out is real. And I know you have the talent and skill set. Keep us posted.

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Hello Action,

Yuppers on the right kind of car. I won't even entertain anymore owning an older car without factory air con. Plus it's nice to have a car with a more unique interior scheme. Although I laugh as it's the kind of interior Ralph Nader would hemorrhage over as I'll even admit it's a bit of a death trap inside the car.

For instance there are no latches on the front seat backs and those are heavy seats. The back of the front seats are all metal and I pity the back seat passenger that bangs their head on them. Although the back seat passengers also have an all metal package tray to also crack the rear of their head on as well.

But I like it, what's life without a little risk. :p
 

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Disassembly

Although this was done a while ago, I wanted to share some of these pictures. The reason is I hope this becomes a cautionary tale of what to expect when you buy an old car. I know it's considered bad taste to besmirch sellers. But I'm willing to tarnish any views of me in hopes of saving someone from making a mistake that can cost them time and profuse amounts of money.

Now this seller said the engine was fine because it ran. And if you believe that you'll believe anything. Never trust a seller on what they say, only believe your eyes, ears and most importantly common sense. Here's some pictures that say otherwise to the engines condition.

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Just to reiterate, fire. The HVAC cover is melted and that blower motor was seized. Probably melted. The fire came from the transmission dipstick tube.

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The ingress of water into the distributor seized the mechanical and vacuum advance.

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When the water neck starts disintegrating, you know you're in for a treat on the rest of the cooling system.

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Yuppers. BTW feel free to have a laugh, I sure did. Sometimes you have to bow to the absurd.

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I've seen rusty thermostats before but this is the first time I've seen a green one.

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The comedy continues.

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Those rocker covers weighed about 3X times as much as they normally do. That was some really thick dense sludge.

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At this point the car sat outside for a while, but all the accessories were removed sans the PS pump.

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You can see the transmission in the background and we'll get to that comedy of errors in a bit. As for the engine, the only bits I kept were the block, dipstick, timing cover, crank and what was present on the front dress. Everything else pitched. Even the oil pan had rusted through but the sludge kept the 2 gallons of water in it.

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The dumpster pile grows.

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Disassembly Continued


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Aside from the dipstick all this ended up in the bin as well.

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Here's a question for the galaxie 500 connoisseur, did later model '66 gals have that style PS pump (fill port) or is that strictly a '67 and up style?

Next up was removing the interior.

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Once the interior was out, I wanted to be sure to see just how bad the body was before I condemned it. So I mounted the body to my jig I made that precisely locates the body mounts. My jig is accurate to 1/16" of an inch on level ground.

Plus you can see the creases in the sail panel and rear quarter from the body being bent.

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You can see how tweaked the impact side is. Now this body could be fixed. I am sure for a few thousand dollars on a rack it could be straightened and the creases removed, although the latter half of the rear quarter would need to be replaced.

However I already had two 1966 galaxie 500 2 door fastbacks not doing anything. So it made sense to use one of them as a body donor.

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I plopped the body back on the rolling frame and proceeded to remove anything of value. The parts specifically relate to the identity of this car as well as all the steel bits that make it an XL as well as factory air con.

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The front floor pan braces are unique to XL and 7 Litre because of the bucket seats. So those came out to go into the donor body which just had a bench seat.

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I also saved part of the roof, the floor pans, rear quarters and parts and most of the outer wheel houses. The trunk floor was bent and had some rust so I didn't bother. Also the cowl was saved.

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I thought this was interesting. This is a genuine XL car and apparently Ford or this factory couldn't be bothered with blanking a hole for the floor shift. So it looks like a line worked just blazed a hole with a torch for one.

Not exactly a Zenith television now is it.

More in the next bit.
 

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Disassembly Continued

Onto the frame.
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As you can see the back is crinkled.

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The front flanges on the frame were a little splayed as well. But aside from some very light surface rust there was not serious corrosion inside or out on this one. This is the frame I offered up for free. I figured for around 500 dollars this could be placed on a frame rack and straightened. This would have made a really good frame for someone in the midwest. But alas no one was really interested and I hated to cut it up but alas tis gone. Now I kept all the suspension parts mostly as spares. The rear axle I would use on the new build as it's the heavy duty (large bearing) 9" and these only came on the 1966 full size with a 390 or bigger engine. The donor cars were 352 and 289 and all three had the light duty (small bearing) Ford 9 inch axle.

I also used the engine perches and the coil springs for the new build since they are calibrated for the weight of the XL package plus accessories.

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Everything cleared of the frame, tagged and stowed. So at this point what was left of the body and frame have been taken to the dump only after saving the key pieces.

On the next post I'll cover the transmission.
 

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Transmission

A couple people I showed this to thought I was unhinged for even attempting this. But if anything it's good for a laugh. I did suss out how it caught fire and it's pretty interesting playing detective.

So here's how I pieced the puzzle together. The case is a Ford replacement case for the C6. I can only imagine something happened to the original transmission. However whomever replaced the transmission never tightened the bolts to the engine. As the car ran the bolts slowly unloosened and the angle between the engine and transmission centre line became more and more severe. The flexplate was not happy. No sir. As the angle increased the flexplate forced the torque converter on an angle to match the engine and broke the gears in the pump.

But the C6 soldiered on amazingly. It kept going. Now the intense heat from the broken gears grinding away caused the front seal to completely melt and the torque converter snout bushing that resides in the pump welded to the snout. Somehow it didn't leak, that one remains a mystery as the toxic sludge was still in it and quite full. But yet the C6 kept running. The pump was grinding metal and just pumping it into the valve body, torque converter and cooler. So much so that it blasted the cooler return check ball straight through the valve body spacer plate like a bullet. But yet it kept going. I am sure it was loosing pressure as the clutches started to slip and burn. The cooler was effectively plugged and the temps sky rocketed so much so the fluid ignited. Now I don't see how enough oxygen could get into the case, but unless somehow the pump was pulling it in from the front and aerating the fluid.

Alas the transmission was in flames and it's quite evident flames were shooting out of the dipstick tube. Can you imagine the racket that must have made?!

Wouldn't a sane person have pulled over long before anything like this ever progressed to the level it did?

I guess not. Now for the carnage.

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That's actual ash atop the valve body.

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I have never seen anything like this.

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You can see the broken gears in the pump.

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I've never seen a band lay out almost flat. All the clutches were cooked.

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These are all the parts that were replaced. Even the sprag just fell apart when I took it out.

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That case took a bit to clean out. Boy did it ever.

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This transmission ended up receiving the works. It was rollerized to start with along with increasing each clutch capacity in frictions and steels. The frictions are Red Eagles with Kolene steels and it also received a red eagle extra wide band. I bought a 2400 stall rebuilt torque converter with rollerized stator.

On torque converters for C6's with FE's, apparently supplies are running low and you have to return your old one for a core. Boy how I would have liked to been there when they saw that torque converter and cut it open.

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This was the most difficult part of this transmission. The spacer plate, the cooler check ball was blown through with incredible force. I plug welded the hole then drilled to seat the ball. Of course the heat warped this like a potato chip and I spent all day planishing it back straight then final decking it flat again. This still had the 1966 valve body in it which is a one year only (dual range). I couldn't find a new spacer plate or valve body for the life of me.

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I was able to find the 1966 only valve body gasket though. So that was a bit of luck.

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I was amazed on how well this valve body came out. I spent a ludicrous amount of hours on this transmission bringing it back from the dead.

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Transmission Continued


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It's going back together and looking nothing like it did.

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I don't think its own mother would recognize it. :rolleyes:

But seriously a word on rollerizing one of these. If you have the means to machine the parts yourself then you can save several hundred dollars by doing the labour and just buying the 60 or so dollars worth of Torrington bearings and doing the job yourself. However even with entrusting the machining work to a machinist is a risky proposition because of the incredulous amount of details on the cuts. One wrong cut and you'll be buying an expensive planetary or such part. Plus any machinist worth his salt will take his time, review the instructions and do the work. All this takes loads of time and by the time you pay his bill you can just buy the parts already pre-machined as a kit.

A word on this transmission. This was the most ludicrous resurrection I have ever done. The labour was astronomical and my cost alone was about 1200 dollars for parts. You can imagine how much this would have cost at a restoration shop. Figure 90 dollars an hour shop rate plus mark up on the parts. This would be easily 4 grand.

I didn't go into the details of this transmission build as it parallels this one if you're interested: https://www.fordforumsonline.com/threads/1966-ltd-resto-mod-thread.14264/page-2#post-77063

I wish I had taken a picture of the flexplate. It was truly comical. The metal looked like a shattered windscreen. The amount of cracks in it was amazing.

The next post will deal with building up the donor frame. I won't touch on the interior until the chassis is complete and work starts on the body.

Thanks for reading and watching.

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Prepping the New Frame

First thing to do was dig out the donor frame. Boy these are heavy and cumbersome.

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This doesn't have any evidence of being in an accident and aside from surface rust there is no severe rust inside or out. I checked with a borescope.

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Here is the donor frame from another 1966 galaxie 500 and the heavy duty Ford 9 inch axle from the 1966 galaxie 500 XL. They are ready to be wet sand blasted.

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This is what I use to wet sand blast. The pressurized hopper is a Harbor Freight deal, the pressure washer is a 3100 PSI gasoline chain store buy and the wet blasting wand was from Northern Tools. You can only use fine blasting media as the course will clog up the nozzle.

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After metal prep application.

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During the painting process. Since this is not a show room build, I wasn't going to spray the frame on the exterior, it's just brush painted POR 15 semi-gloss. My primary concern is corrosion control since these love to rust out from the inside.

The interior was sprayed with Eastwood's internal frame coat. Took about 6 cans and then after that cured it was internally coated with POR 15 with a spray gun with a long wand attachment. I hosed it in liberally till it ran out. It's well coated on the inside.

For those wondering about the costs as you need to budget for something like this. The Eastwood internal frame coat was ~150 and POR 15 ~100. So 250 for the paint. The blasting sand was another 100 dollars. So just for supplies 450 dollars to prep the bare frame.

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The next post will be the suspension parts.

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Suspension Parts
I had a batch of suspension parts ready to go for the rat rod project, but since that was cancelled they were free to use on this car.

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If memory serves the suspension parts on this table are the same for any '65-'68 Ford full size (3rd generation) regardless of engine or options. All the rubber bushings and ball joints are Moog. I've learned my lesson with other brands. I try to powder items that will fit in my oven, otherwise if they are too big or sensitive to heat they received POR 15. The front upper and lower control arms are powder coated but the other items were just too long.

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This is one of the caveats to the suspension. This rear upper control arm fits 1965-1966. It will also fit '67 and '68 but in '67 the bushings were enlarged and so was the arm. Obviously a '67-'68 arm will not fit on a '65-'66.

The bushings have to come from Rare Parts as them seem to be the only source and pretty pricey at ~90 dollars for the set.

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Powder coated as well.

Just to reiterate, the parts that will be used that came specifically off the XL package car are the engine perches (390) and coil springs. The donor frame was from a Challenger 289 car and the engine perches are different for a Windsor engine. The coil springs from the XL package car are calibrated for XL package, engine and accessories ordered on that car so are imperative to use to get the ride height correct.

Next up retrofitting front disc brakes.
 

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Suspension Parts Refurbish

I didn't think I had any pictures of rebuilding the above suspension pieces but I found a few.

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They were well worn from use and age.

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Some of the bushings like this one weren't too bad, but still they had to come out to treat the arm so they were all replaced.

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Before I use to struggle with removing old bushings, but I made some hokey little bits and bobs and was able to easily press the old ones out quickly.

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like so

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Occasionally I had a bushing press out its innards first then the shell just popped out, but for the most part they popped out as a whole.

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The inner and outer tie rod along with the sleeve would all be replaced however the centre link needs to be reused so the old tie rods need to come off.

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This is the portion that I really do not like, that is drilling out these pressed riveted ball joints. A word of caution the centre of the head here is not the centre of the shank, it's mushed over so only drill deep enough to remove the head and not into the arm.

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I used a drill press as it's just easier.

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Once the head pops off I used an air hammer to drive the shank through and out.

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You can see even though I centre drilled the head it's offset. If you drill all the way through would have drilled into the control arm and elongated the holes. And that is nicht sehr gut.

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Suspension Parts Refurbish Continued

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Nothing worse than old sloppy parts.... Don't read into that. :p

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The upper control arms were no better. I used the same techniques to take these apart.

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All prepped for paint or powder coat.

Unfortunately I don't have any more pictures of the assembly. But I think you get the idea.

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Very nice. I wish I had the facilities that you have. The finished parts in post 12 are so pretty!!!!

The C-6 is one tough bugger.

I have seen transmission bands that were made floppy. Just on the C-4. The reason for a floppy band was to replace the band "in car". A tech that used to work for me showed me how to do this. (The C-6 may be the same way, just don't know. He was an awesome transmission tech. He did a lot of transmission work on all kinds of vehicles for me. However he had a hard time staying away from the bottle.

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Very nice. I wish I had the facilities that you have. The finished parts in post 12 are so pretty!!!!

The C-6 is one tough bugger.

I have seen transmission bands that were made floppy. Just on the C-4. The reason for a floppy band was to replace the band "in car". A tech that used to work for me showed me how to do this. (The C-6 may be the same way, just don't know. He was an awesome transmission tech. He did a lot of transmission work on all kinds of vehicles for me. However he had a hard time staying away from the bottle.

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Howdy Action,

Thank you for the kind words. I didn't know they made floppy bands, but it makes sense if you can snake one up through the bottom.

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That's how it would work.

The hard band is cut on one end. The rest would be pulled out.
The new floppy band would be snaked in from the bottom around the top to the other side.

I saw it done on a couple of C-4s by this tech. He knew where to get parts. (Fatsco I think) The repaired vehicles never came back in a 12 month period. (I was very nervous selling the repair) I left the dealership a year after most of those repairs were done. It was kind of a neat trick. Saved the owner's a pile of cash from a full overhaul.

I doubt your band is that type.

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It might be the flex band (BT18 ) shown here. Just not sure because it was a number of decades ago.

https://www.fatsco.net/c4.html

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Front Brakes

The 1966 galaxie 500 XL originally came with power 4 wheel drum brakes. One of the immediate upgrades was to migrate to 4 wheel power disc brakes. I've seen some of the aftermarket kits for these cars. Some are rather sketchy. Since the rat rod project (1968 LTD) was abandoned it made sense to pillage the factory disc brakes off that car. Now these brakes aren't cheap to refurbish either, but at least they are OEM parts.

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Driver side

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Passenger side. I think Ronald Reagan was president last time these worked.

In order to still move the car I just replaced these with drum spindles and hubs to put the tyres back on.

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Fords paranoia wire on the caliper bracket bolts. Not very elegantly done.

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Here's all the dilapidated disc brake parts off the '68 LTD. The splash shields were bent over on themselves on the bottom.

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First thing was to unbend and straighten the splash shields best I could. Loads of time spent with a hammer and dolly as well as the torch to shrink the metal so it would lie flat.

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All hardware, bearings and races were really bad, so it received all new goodies. The hub was powder coated.

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Same thing with the calipers. The calipers and pistons were still serviceable but everything else pretty much wasn't. The calipers were powder coated as well.

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Sometimes my anal retentiveness knows no bounds. Every single piece of hardware (nut, bolt, washer, clip, etc) was clear coated and baked to cure. Any original hardware like these that were re-used were sand blasted, blackened then clear coated.

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New pads, these are semi-metallic.

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Round 1 of anti-rattle clips.

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Front Brakes Continued and Steering

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For the hose kits since these brakes aren't common, there is only one company making these. It's about 160 dollars for the 3 piece kit, beggars can't be choosers. It's a stainless braid in a polymer line, they should last for a couple of decades.

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The rotors are a bit pricey as well at about 90 dollars shipped.

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The rotors need to be pressed onto the hub via the studs.

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New races installed as well. But this concludes refinishing the front disc brake parts.

Now onto some of the steering parts.

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There are two different kinds of idler arms you can use. The original one (crusty one on the left) using rubber bushings, you can still buy these or buy the greaseable bearing joint kind. I like the ability to grease moving parts so I opted for that kind.

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The tie rods were all new, even the coupler.

Now there's enough finished parts to start assembling.

That's the next post.
 
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