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Desert XL, Kevin, Action,

I need you expert advice here please. I;ve found this Fan Shroud in New Zealand -


Part number looks right, its a reproduction in ABS - but would it fit? is approx 24 inches long and the dimensions seem Ok, but the seller says that....
Hi Larry, As I said this is not a stock Ford part, are you sure this is what you need? I notice that the Radiator in your car flows up & down the last 67 here the flow was side to side, just be sure it will work for you
 

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Have you diagnosed IF you really have an over heating condition or an electrical issue? (See posts 10 & 13)

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C5AZ B shroud fits the following vehicles

All of these are full sized Ford applications (just like yours) from the parts catalog.
1965 with AC and 352/390 or 427 with or without AC
1966 with AC and without Thermactor (you do not have Thermactor) 352/390/428. Or 427 and 428 Police engine
1967 with standard cooling, extra cooling or super cooling, AC with or without Thermactor and 390/428 (no police application)
1967 with 427 or 428 police engine

Gives no dimensions only that the shroud is a single piece.
For peace of mind, I would ask seller what is the diameter of the fan opening. AND overall width and height

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Have you diagnosed IF you really have an over heating condition or an electrical issue? (See posts 10 & 13)

The link does not work for me. (Access denied)
C5AZ B shroud fits the following vehicles

All of these are full sized Ford applications (just like yours) from the parts catalog.
1965 with AC and 352/390 or 427 with or without AC
1966 with AC and without Thermactor (you do not have Thermactor) 352/390/428. Or 427 and 428 Police engine
1967 with standard cooling, extra cooling or super cooling, AC with or without Thermactor and 390/428 (no police application)
1967 with 427 or 428 police engine

Gives no dimensions only that the shroud is a single piece.
For peace of mind, I would ask seller what is the diameter of the fan opening. AND overall width and height

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+1 to Actions posting,

LarryM1961,

Anytime you go aftermarket just be prepared to get a substandard part that either will not work or will need to be modified to work.

It's probably along the lines of this ABS reproduction of the original steel one https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mmu-gx811509#overview.

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Now that I have more time.

It is likely plastic of some type. Made and sold by Dennis Carpenter. And is likely the source for Northwestern Ford in NZ.
Fan Shroud for 1965-67 Ford Cars | Dennis Carpenter Ford Restorations (dennis-carpenter.com)
Ford Part C5AZ-8146-B. Fan Shroud - 65-67 Galaxie 352/390/427/428 (cgfordparts.com)
In the first link, it give dimensions. If you are pulling the trigger, would highly recommend doing measurements first.
Since you are "down Under" (likely sleeping at the moment) you might measure twice since the measuring device you have may not be in US increments.

And buying that shroud may look good. May keep fingers and other things from getting tangled in the fan. May pull some more air. But may not really be needed if the original problem is electrical or just a sender and not really a cooling system issue.

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As a post script regarding the fan opening on the shroud. It is listed at 20 3/8".
This means the correct fan is likely 20" or maybe 19 1/2". The smaller the fan in a larger hole means pulling air through becomes less efficient. The whole strategy of pulling air through a shroud is to limit air being pulled from other areas than the radiator. That only happens when the fan is sized to the shroud hole.

A 15 to 17 inch four blade just isn't the best in a 20+ inch hole

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Thanks Action and Desert XL,
This is probably right size, shroud, I measured, but I do need a larger 19" fan with at least 6 blades you're absolutely right. Otherwise with the current 4 blade fan it would detrimental effects I guess.
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Be wary of "mechanics" with no old car experience. One "newbie" at a trusted shop (mostly old cars and went there for 7 yrs) ... A) broke the rag joint on steering column moving car without starting, B) broke the chrome horn ring demonstrating the horn worked after replacing turn signal cam - me with new brush pin in OEM baggie in hand he assured me he installed, C) ran the carb heater wire from ignition through accelerator cable hole instead of wire harness grommeted hole, nearly causing a dash elec fire, D) replaced vented oil caps in both valve covers to prevent oil fog from coating chrome valve covers, or E) all of the above, in the same service session.

The shop owner, a friend of mine, tore up the entire bill for work done. It took me nearly two months to source new horn rim and clear up wire harness (still more to do) from that clown's lack of attention to detail let alone knowledge. D caused the engine to spit the dipstick and spray oil all over the engine bay and led to a scored bearing. That happened WAY to quickly coming up mountain - no signs until too late; no smoke, no smell, no "hot" light until too late.
 

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Hi Barry,
OMG! All that damage, they must be Morons
Yes you're right, regular mechanics don't really know about classic car servicing. I try and take it to a Mustang specialist, at least they have some idea
Larry,
Yes the principles are the same, although 390s and 428s in Mustangs aren't nearly as common as they were in the larger Fords.

Maybe you know this already, there are excellent reproductions (electronic and paper hard copy) of the original Ford "OEM" Service Manuals available as well as complete parts books with the various dimensions of key parts as quote by DesertXL and Action for your ride. I've used them myself with some success. The parts books are huge and not cheap, but I've found them indispensable in securing new or even good OEM parts that actually fit. I've been lucky to find a local guy in his 40s and he gladly refers to the service manuals I provide when he takes on things for which I don't have the room or confidence. It's helped to build a long term relationship such they prefer me to supply the parts, even for the semi-late models Hondas in our household.

Even so, I worked for some time with a guy a few years older with "ASE" certification and lots of customers of old cars, but more than once I pushed him to RTFM to get some things right.

Hang in there
Kevin
 
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Larry,
Yes the principles are the same, although 390s and 428s in Mustangs aren't nearly as common as they were in the larger Fords.

Maybe you know this already, there are excellent reproductions (electronic and paper hard copy) of the original Ford "OEM" Service Manuals available as well as complete parts books with the various dimensions of key parts as quote by DesertXL and Action for your ride. I've used them myself with some success. The parts books are huge and not cheap, but I've found them indispensable in securing new or even good OEM parts that actually fit. I've been lucky to find a local guy in his 40s and he gladly refers to the service manuals I provide when he takes on things for which I don't have the room or confidence. It's helped to build a long term relationship such they prefer me to supply the parts, even for the semi-late models Hondas in our household.

Even so, I worked for some time with a guy a few years older with "ASE" certification and lots of customers of old cars, but more than once I pushed him to RTFM to get some things right.

Hang in there
Kevin
Thanks Kevin for the encouragement,unfortunately in Australia it's even harder to find really good mechanics of classic cars, the parts...well I'll just order online. As Action and Desert XL say, getting an OEM fan shroud/ serviceable 5/6 blade fan is going to be hard.
Thanks Larry M
 

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Your thread - you can ask off topic questions. However it may be difficult to find answers months or years from now.

The instrument cluster has all of the illumination.
Either contort under the dash and look for bulb sockets.
Or more likely remove the cluster and change out bulb sockets to access the bulbs.

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Your thread - you can ask off topic questions. However it may be difficult to find answers months or years from now.

The instrument cluster has all of the illumination.
Either contort under the dash and look for bulb sockets.
Or more likely remove the cluster and change out bulb sockets to access the bulbs.

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+1 and that's a big plus one to contort to change bulb(s). Some of them you need to have the hand of a small Korean child to get up there and then you have to deal with old fiber insulation from the upper firewall breaking apart and falling into your eyes. It's just great fun..... no not really.

Not less forgetting in the generation of these cars, 1967 was an oddball instrumentation cluster design and that's oddball from the movie Kelly's Hero's; just out there. 65/66 were 99% identical in parts. Then you had 1967 which strangely resembles a GM styled instrumentation cluster, which I would surmise didn't go over well with someone at Ford because magically for 1968 it looks very similar again to 1965/6.

Now I'm just prattling on..... so I'll stop :)

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Thanks Action and Desert XL, you guys are awesome. Wow, looking at your illustrations there's no way I;ll be able to access those bulbs without a Korean hand, hahah. Its incredible to believe that one has to remove the whole dash to change bulbs, not a very good design, I must say.
Thanks, I'll try and stay on topic though, that;s a valid point you raised, I couldn't find any thread about light bulbs
Thanks again
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You can create a new thread anytime you want.
Go to the forum you want and click the button in the upper right corner to "Create Post"

Removing the instrument cluster is not usually too difficult. I have never done it on a 67 full sized Ford. I know Desert XL has done this.
Typically it goes like this
Remove the bezel with a phillips screw driver. Typically a dozen or less of black headed screws located on the top and bottom of the bezel.
At this point you may need to remove the radio, ask tray and cigar lighter looking at the picture I posted above.
Then you would have access to the instrument cluster. Remove the retaing screws. Usually these are hex headed.
Carefully move the panel foward. Many things will be connected to it.
You may or may not need to remove those. Bulb socket removal may be possible with only partial panel movement.

If you take out the entire panel things that you would need to disconnect
Speedo cable
Shifter cable to shifter indicator
Connector to head lamp switch, ignition, CVR and wiper switch
Clock & cigar lighter if so equipped
Main wiring harness which will include lamps for various purposes including illumination.


Doing this would give you opportunity to do some other things. (This is called job creep)
Add lube down the speedo cable
Clean the instrument panel lenses
Clean the speedometer numbers
And some other things

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The instrument panel illumation goes through the head light switch. And there is fuse protection of a lower amp value than many.

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