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So, i guess you have to wait longer than 4 years after a jet is retired from service before you can buy one...:incazzato:
i know you CAN buy retired military jets, because i was talking to one of my old Majors, and he owns an F-4 Phantom II...
I know it WILL be expensive ($38M brand new, back in 1974) and it won't come with any armaments (weapons/ Platform) but it would be cool...

...Ok, so with the price of jet fuel, and maintenance, i won't be taking it anywhere... I'll just end up sitting in the cockpit smoking, playing with the Variable Geometry wings, Taxing it around the airport, and listening to the :shocked:'Top Gun' Soundtrack...
actually the maintenance, i won't have to pay for labor because i was an F/A-18 Power-plant technician, and their engines are basically a one-off from the old tomcat... and i did get my airframe&power-plant license through the marine corps...

I guess my question is... does anyone know how long you have to wait? they might just hang onto them due to the fact that Iran originally had 79 of them, and they're down to like 44, and only 20 of them are operational, so the government doesn't want ANYONE to supply them with parts...
 

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Jonzo 77,
FYI, USN does not sell decommissioned aircraft.,They either store destroy or display them. Many go to "salvage" which requires them being demilled then disassembled to USN Specification/Inspection.
I am responsible for BU # 161426 a "D" Fitted, F-14B, Tomcat from VF-101, Grim Reapers, East Coast R.A.G. Squadron out of NAS Oceana. This proud & historic Tomcat is displayed at DNAS Museum in Florida. You will have to wait forever to "buy a Tomcat". US Naval Equipment is NOT for sale, unlike the other branches of the US Military. So don't get your hopes up on that. We have a "perpetual Loan lease" with USN for that Aircraft.
Once a USN Aircraft is demilled it will go nowhere & do nothing under it's own power. Cockpits are virtually stripped of functional instrumentation & gear, many connections and links between systems & system placement are rendered In-Op during demilling process.
Moving or flying DeMilled USN Aircraft requires you get either a "tug" or a Crane. I was the last one who "Flew" BU 161426. I flew it from a Taxi way about 120 ft to the center of a display pad next to the Museum Bldg. We used a Lorraine 100 ton crane with w/ 100 foot stick to set the Tomcat for it's dedication to DNASM as an official "USN Display", as sanctioned by USN's N.M.N.A. @ Pensacola FL.
You can see, watch & learn more on facebook by searching DeLand Naval Air Station Museum and wandering thru our videos & photos.
Some of the Videos are Tomcats going sonic, doing immelman maneuvers & so forth. One shows a Tomcat cutting 2 flashes (Sonics) in the length of an Aircraft carrier. Sorry no sound on that one. 2nd flash is "Huge" but it took out sound system out of the handi cam recording it. For more info/curiosity go to F-14 Association site. Then querey any F-14 you want to know about by it's BU Number. All Naval Aircraft have a their own Bureau Unit number or "BU#". We also have an Aircraft, BU# 01747 a WW II Gruman Avenger we are restoring for static display at DNAS Museum.

I might add the relics IRAN has are way out of "spec" and far beyond being used. Besides that they are all F-14A's and we have not had or used A Model Tomcats since about 1980 or so. Little if anything from a B or later will fit or work on an "A". People who believe that it is possible to bolt "B" or later parts on an A think an 460CID 385 series engine will drop into an Escort because both are built by FoMoCo. . . . AHhh ERrr NOT SO Friends.
Some of "Imadinnerjackets" Tomcats have been refitted with Sokoi Powerplants, former USSR aviaonics, & etc but it's all junk. Iran does not have 20 operational F-14 Tomcats. When The Bethpage "Group" pulled out of Tehran in 79 all remaining Tomcats were rendered useless without major rebuild or refitting. All upgrades of US Tomcats were done by the "Bethpage" group and were an extensiv, comprehensive, replacement & refitting deal. Sleep easy. We'll not see any Iranian Tomcats regardless of what of the U.S. Congress says, like so many other things they have that notion wrong too.

CIAO & Happy Landings arrested or otherwise. . . . :yesnod:

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I read a story once about some one who rebuilt a T37 out of parts from aircraft salvage yards. This jet trainer is fully aerobatic and is actually has a reasonable "operating cost".
 

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Jonzo 77,
FYI, USN does not sell decommissioned aircraft.,They either store destroy or display them. Many go to "salvage" which requires them being demilled then disassembled to USN Specification/Inspection.
I am responsible for BU # 161426 a "D" Fitted, F-14B, Tomcat from VF-101, Grim Reapers, East Coast R.A.G. Squadron out of NAS Oceana. This proud & historic Tomcat is displayed at DNAS Museum in Florida. You will have to wait forever to "buy a Tomcat". US Naval Equipment is NOT for sale, unlike the other branches of the US Military. So don't get your hopes up on that. We have a "perpetual Loan lease" with USN for that Aircraft.
Once a USN Aircraft is demilled it will go nowhere & do nothing under it's own power. Cockpits are virtually stripped of functional instrumentation & gear, many connections and links between systems & system placement are rendered In-Op during demilling process.
Moving or flying DeMilled USN Aircraft requires you get either a "tug" or a Crane. I was the last one who "Flew" BU 161426. I flew it from a Taxi way about 120 ft to the center of a display pad next to the Museum Bldg. We used a Lorraine 100 ton crane with w/ 100 foot stick to set the Tomcat for it's dedication to DNASM as an official "USN Display", as sanctioned by USN's N.M.N.A. @ Pensacola FL.
You can see, watch & learn more on facebook by searching DeLand Naval Air Station Museum and wandering thru our videos & photos.
Some of the Videos are Tomcats going sonic, doing immelman maneuvers & so forth. One shows a Tomcat cutting 2 flashes (Sonics) in the length of an Aircraft carrier. Sorry no sound on that one. 2nd flash is "Huge" but it took out sound system out of the handi cam recording it. For more info/curiosity go to F-14 Association site. Then querey any F-14 you want to know about by it's BU Number. All Naval Aircraft have a their own Bureau Unit number or "BU#". We also have an Aircraft, BU# 01747 a WW II Gruman Avenger we are restoring for static display at DNAS Museum.

I might add the relics IRAN has are way out of "spec" and far beyond being used. Besides that they are all F-14A's and we have not had or used A Model Tomcats since about 1980 or so. Little if anything from a B or later will fit or work on an "A". People who believe that it is possible to bolt "B" or later parts on an A think an 460CID 385 series engine will drop into an Escort because both are built by FoMoCo. . . . AHhh ERrr NOT SO Friends.
Some of "Imadinnerjackets" Tomcats have been refitted with Sokoi Powerplants, former USSR aviaonics, & etc but it's all junk. Iran does not have 20 operational F-14 Tomcats. When The Bethpage "Group" pulled out of Tehran in 79 all remaining Tomcats were rendered useless without major rebuild or refitting. All upgrades of US Tomcats were done by the "Bethpage" group and were an extensiv, comprehensive, replacement & refitting deal. Sleep easy. We'll not see any Iranian Tomcats regardless of what of the U.S. Congress says, like so many other things they have that notion wrong too.

CIAO & Happy Landings arrested or otherwise. . . . :yesnod:

FBp:rolleyes5:
That's what i thought. the f-4 was AF... too bad i can't get an f/a-18A... that i would know front to back...
 

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Little if anything from a B or later will fit or work on an "A". People who believe that it is possible to bolt "B" or later parts on an A think an 460CID 385 series engine will drop into an Escort because both are built by FoMoCo. . . . AHhh ERrr NOT SO Friends.
Ahem... cutting torch, welder(okay, a good welder), time, a lot of money and a whole LOT of ingenuity... I could do it but it would cost you:smilewinkgrin:. I just love stuffing HUGE displacement in tiny places. Just remember, anyting is possible, you might not want to race that guy next to you for titles.
 

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True enough I agree. It can be done however one must have a clue as to what one is doing. It's not a "bolt in" without expertise and we're talking about a "group" in a "country" far from leading edge expertise in anything technical. They can't even process their own petroleum.They can't control cellphone or internet communications either, try as they will. It's how resistors to a regime there are able to demonstrate to the world how far in the pits Iran has gone since 1970's. They took the 20th century back to the 8th or 9th century. The 20th century was in the 2nd millennium. We're a decade into 1st century of the 3rd millennium now. So I gotta really wonder about that Nation: How's that for being "out of time" & touch with reality ? Gingus Kahn is not going to reappear by riding elephants out of the fareast again.:smilewinkgrin:

I'd worry far more about them messing with Nukes than trying to recommission decommissioned antique aircraft. When they screw up the nuke thing our globe could suffer. If they screw up a 35 yr old F-14A they'll get a dead aircrew & "dent" in their runway, unless it goes down in a "population Center" where they'd get some collateral loss also. Either way No biggee to the free world. Iran is certainly no threat with modified, hot rod, antique, tactical aircraft. In fact I doubt they have the capacity to operate them at this point.

We are talking about a nation that has oil but is too "out of it" to build refineries to process it, right? So they ship it & pay others
to get it refined, then buy it back. Pretty clever aren't they?:crazy:

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Justaguy,
True enough I agree. It can be done however one must have a clue as to what one is doing. It's not a "bolt in" without expertise and we're talking about a "group" in a "country" far from leading edge expertise in anything technical. They can't even process their own petroleum.They can't control cellphone or internet communications either, try as they will. It's how resistors to a regime there are able to demonstrate to the world how far in the pits Iran has gone since 1970's. They took the 20th century back to the 8th or 9th century. The 20th century was in the 2nd millennium. We're a decade into 1st century of the 3rd millennium now. So I gotta really wonder about that Nation: How's that for being "out of time" & touch with reality ? Gingus Kahn is not going to reappear by riding elephants out of the fareast again.:smilewinkgrin:

I'd worry far more about them messing with Nukes than trying to recommission decommissioned antique aircraft. When they screw up the nuke thing our globe could suffer. If they screw up a 35 yr old F-14A they'll get a dead aircrew & "dent" in their runway, unless it goes down in a "population Center" where they'd get some collateral loss also. Either way No biggee to the free world. Iran is certainly no threat with modified, hot rod, antique, tactical aircraft. In fact I doubt they have the capacity to operate them at this point.

We are talking about a nation that has oil but is too "out of it" to build refineries to process it, right? So they ship it & pay others
to get it refined, then buy it back. Pretty clever aren't they?:crazy:

FBp
Better watch it ... that Muslim nation you are talking about just might turn around and assassinate your A$$ ...
 

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they're not that clever. they had to buy one (or 80) from us after all...
even though they can now buy Japanese, or Korean built F-15's. McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) sold the blue prints to both countries so they could build their own fleet(s)
F-15J, and K respectfully...
 

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I believe U.S. assigned F-14A Grumman Aircraft to late Sha of Iran before he became so terminally ill suddenly & died. The so called "Muslims" the guy 2 posts above seems to be so afraid of, siezed our F-14s from a U.S./Grumman team serving there with our aircraft just before Ayatolla Homani or whatever his name is, took American hostages, then stole Irans entire country from the Iranian Soverigns, which it still legally belongs to. The sub human henchmen of radical Islamic ilk aren't going to assassinate any part of my hard ass!
Yeah they may try to attack or murder me, or maybe blow up their underwear or set their shoe on fire, set off fireworks in their SUV in a major US City or some other ridiculous crap, but they cannot & will not assassinate me, they just are not good enough to pull it off. Maybe I shoot first rather than shoot back? Besides, I'm a low value target. Just another "Bozo on Americas Bus" to them.
CIAO Y'all
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Just to be clear... I wasnt making any political statements... Just pointing out to folly of the statement that you couldnt put a big block into an escort.

Personally, I keep my political asperations to myself. Not saying that you're not entitled to your own, you have that right and no one will take that away from you, least of all me.
 

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I believe U.S. assigned F-14A Grumman Aircraft to late Sha of Iran before he became so terminally ill suddenly & died. The so called "Muslims" the guy 2 posts above seems to be so afraid of, siezed our F-14s from a U.S./Grumman team serving there with our aircraft just before Ayatolla Homani or whatever his name is, took American hostages, then stole Irans entire country from the Iranian Soverigns, which it still legally belongs to. The sub human henchmen of radical Islamic ilk aren't going to assassinate any part of my hard ass!
Yeah they may try to attack or murder me, or maybe blow up their underwear or set their shoe on fire, set off fireworks in their SUV in a major US City or some other ridiculous crap, but they cannot & will not assassinate me, they just are not good enough to pull it off. Maybe I shoot first rather than shoot back? Besides, I'm a low value target. Just another "Bozo on Americas Bus" to them.
CIAO Y'all
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Man I was just joking, it seems ever time someone says anything about Muslims they need to blow it up or something and just FYI ... when they hit the towers ... I hit back with TOMAHAWKS ... just in case you though i was just some slob commenting!
 

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pletchaj,
Roger that on T-Hawks, great ordy IMHO & You're appreciated!
Tomcat we take care of was doing N-x-S Flyzone missions over Iraq when towers went down. She was aboard the Kennedy with a different Squad' then. We got her in June '05 from Grim Reapers in NAS Oceana. Flown in & Demilled on site. That was a Giggle and a hoot. . . . YeeHaw.
Got a "boy" (son #3) going to Khandahar in summer sweeps about to begin. He's a SAW, Army & ready. 2nd CAV/2nd Stryyker Reg. As far as my butt goes I don't care, but it won't be one of the loopers that gets it by assassination they're cranially defective' They seem even more so lately. It's hard to respect people like that let alone fear them :crazy: It's easy to get over on people who are too trusting & not paying attention either, but not all Americans are like that, and
I know you read that clear.

I attempt humor in the thread above.
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Yeah I know, I'd bolt a 460 on a roller skate if I could get paid for doin' it.
In High School we put a 59AB Flattie in a 31 Chevy Fourdor uglymobile. That was Before SBC V8s were even in production. It was a tough build for a bunch of newbies with an impossible dream, but we did it. Only problem was Chevy mechanicals were not up to all that V8 FoMoCo "Power" and quickly failed. :lol:
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JustaGuy,
Yeah I know, I'd bolt a 460 on a roller skate if I could get paid for doin' it.
In High School we put a 59AB Flattie in a 31 Chevy Fourdor uglymobile. That was Before SBC V8s were even in production. It was a tough build for a bunch of newbies with an impossible dream, but we did it. Only problem was Chevy mechanicals were not up to all that V8 FoMoCo "Power" and quickly failed. :lol:
FBp
FBp,

My last project was a '78 FJ40. I pulled out a perfectly good, running 2f inline 6, and installed a 500hp 383 sbc. I had to box the frame and weld in new motor mounts. I used a ranger torque splitter for the adaptation. That combo gave my customer a 27% overdrive. Combined with his 4 sod trans, and his lo range in his transfer case, he ended up with 16 forward gears and 4 reverse. Cool part was he paid me with a good running '73 fj40 and his old engine out of his '78.:yesnod:
 
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